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space issue [message #335948]

Thu, 24 July 2008 04:10

diamond
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I just noticed a proactive report lik this:

The tablespace is 85% filled...

But the datafiles show the status lik:

Say datafile1 is.....2000MB maxsize is 1500MB...

....
....

datafilen is.... 2000MB maxsize is 2000MB

My question is how is this possible? The datafile size is completly filled or exceeds the maxsize , but the tablespace status shows that there is a chance of 15% more growth of data in it???

Kindly explain.

Thanks & Regards.

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Re: space issue [message #335949 is a reply to message #335948]

Thu, 24 July 2008 04:14

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SQL> create tablespace t datafile 'C:\ORACLE\BASES\MIKA\T.DBF' size 2000M autoextend on maxsize 2000M;

Tablespace created.

SQL> alter database datafile 'C:\ORACLE\BASES\MIKA\T.DBF' autoextend on maxsize 1500M;

Database altered.

SQL> select bytes/1024/1024 M, maxbytes/1024/1024 maxmb from dba_data_files 
  2  where file_name='C:\ORACLE\BASES\MIKA\T.DBF';
         M      MAXMB
---------- ----------
      2000       1500

1 row selected.

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Michel

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Re: space issue [message #335951 is a reply to message #335948]

Thu, 24 July 2008 04:18

diamond
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Thanks for the reply. I understood your point.

But, My main concern is that the tablespace shows the space availabilty, but the datafile status shows that there is no space available for future data.

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Re: space issue [message #335977 is a reply to message #335951]

Thu, 24 July 2008 05:16

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I don't see any proof in what you posted that there is no available space.

In addition, as Ana says, "Those who live by the GUI, die by the GUI".

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Michel

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Re: space issue [message #335994 is a reply to message #335977]

Thu, 24 July 2008 06:06

diamond
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ok..

But is there any possibility of this situation because of The Delayed Block Cleanout???

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Re: space issue [message #336001 is a reply to message #335994]

Thu, 24 July 2008 06:42

Michel Cadot
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No relation.

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Michel

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Re: space issue [message #336192 is a reply to message #336001]

Fri, 25 July 2008 02:39

diamond
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There is 1 more thing i wanted to clarify on..(may be stupid...)

SQL> create tablespace test datafile '/u01/test01.dbf' size 100K autoextend on next 10K maxsize 150K;

Tablespace created.

SQL> alter database datafile '/u01/test01.dbf' autoextend on maxsize 5K;

Database altered.

SQL> select bytes M, maxbytes max from dba_data_files where tablespace_name='TEST';

M MAX
---------- ----------
106496 8192

SQL> select 8192/1024 from dual;

8192/1024
----------
8

Maxsize i have kept as 5K...but the status here shows as 8192.
It should have been 5*1024????

I have just entered into the ORACLE field.. so in many concept i'm not clear... please excuse me.. if i had a very basic or silly doubt.

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Re: space issue [message #336201 is a reply to message #336192]

Fri, 25 July 2008 03:13

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Size can only be a multiple of block size.

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Michel

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Re: space issue [message #336510 is a reply to message #336001]

Sun, 27 July 2008 23:49

diamond
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hmmmm.... ok.. but stil i am not clear on it.. why the max size is not 5k????

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Re: space issue [message #336515 is a reply to message #336510]

Sun, 27 July 2008 23:56

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diamond wrote on Sun, 27 July 2008 21:49

hmmmm.... ok.. but stil i am not clear on it.. why the max size is not 5k????

What is blocksize?

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Re: space issue [message #336557 is a reply to message #335948]

Mon, 28 July 2008 02:32

varu123
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5k is not a multiple of 8k which is your block size.
So Oracle rounded off to 8k.[nearest multiple]

I guess this is the reason.

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Re: space issue [message #336561 is a reply to message #336557]

Mon, 28 July 2008 02:48

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varu123 wrote on Mon, 28 July 2008 09:32

5k is not a multiple of 8k which is your block size.

How do you know his block size?

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Michel

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Re: space issue [message #336566 is a reply to message #335948]

Mon, 28 July 2008 03:08

varu123
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Default is 8k and with your line:

Quote:

Size can only be a multiple of block size.

block size is 8k.

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Re: space issue [message #336570 is a reply to message #336566]

Mon, 28 July 2008 03:16

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My line was just to give the rule in order to OP to find himself the explaination.
Default is just default may be changed.
I posted the rule, Ana posted the question, so we just have to wait.

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Michel

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Re: space issue [message #336579 is a reply to message #335948]

Mon, 28 July 2008 04:11

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Quote:

I posted the rule, Ana posted the question, so we just have to wait.

and the OP posted the output:

SQL> select bytes M, maxbytes max from dba_data_files where tablespace_name='TEST';

M MAX
---------- ----------
106496 [b]8192[/b]

Since the value of maxbytes is 8k,as per rule oracle rounded off 5k to the nearest multiple of block size.
2k,4k are not multiples of 8k but 8k is .

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Re: space issue [message #336783 is a reply to message #336557]

Tue, 29 July 2008 00:13

diamond
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so if the size was set to say 9k... then... wil oracle set the size as 9k or 16K???is that it rounds of only if the block size is set below 8k only

[Updated on: Tue, 29 July 2008 00:25]

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Re: space issue [message #336793 is a reply to message #336783]

Tue, 29 July 2008 01:07

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16K.
The rule is "it is the minimal number of blocks greater than the size you specified".
You don't split block. Please read Database Concepts, at least the first chapter.

Regards
Michel

[Updated on: Tue, 29 July 2008 01:08]

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Re: space issue [message #336801 is a reply to message #335948]

Tue, 29 July 2008 01:23

varu123
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@Diamond
What was your block size?

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Re: space issue [message #336802 is a reply to message #336801]

Tue, 29 July 2008 01:24

diamond
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my block size is 8k

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